Team Selection

[Corbeau]

Whole recruitment rules were unclear for me, maybe they are obvious for veterans. With strong emphasis on "maybe"

This whole part of discussion is happening because there are rules (which are simple and basically clear), but nobody is following them. That is the source of confusion.

[Wahazar]

Whole recruitment rules were unclear for me, maybe they are obvious for veterans. With strong emphasis on "maybe"

This whole part of discussion is happening because there are rules (which are simple and basically clear), but nobody is following them. That is the source of confusion.

The rules were simply:

We will do a 5 team game if we can figure out who 5 team leaders we can have for picking the teams. One team leader picks at a time.

There was not mentioned, that list must to be closed, thus my confusion, why some team leaders were acting and some not.

BTW, there is my future proposal of team selection procedure with precaution against acting latency:
http://forum.longturn.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8749#p8749

[Alfred]

team blue for Alfred

[Hans_Lemurson]

Looks like even more people showed up.

pieronjeden
wolfie31
SKB
zoltan (has not confirmed. I think he said he'll take over for anyone who drops)

[Corbeau]

I have a problem with very good players coming in later and taking "anyone who drops". When the teams are assembled, hopefully they will be balanced. Whoever drops early is far more likely to be a bad player so that team, initially balanced, will be replacing a bad player with a very good one. So the balance goes out the window.

And I'm curious, what's with the "I won't play from the start, but I'll join later" attitude? You either want to play or you don't want to play. This is a nice way to squeeze into victory behind the back of fair play.

[Momo]

I'm curious too, but also dubious: zoltan's behaviour in lt44 was problematic to say the least.

[Corbeau]

For the record, Zoltan is not the only one who wants to "reserve an idler" in advance.

[wieder]

In LT45 players joining in the start can control max 1+1 nations at the same time. However players replacing idlers can control 0 + 1 nations.

[fran]

players replacing

I'm not going to play any team game where late drop in replacements are not ruled out.
I also think it is a bad habit for every game.

[wieder]

We can also make it so that all the teams can object for new replacements.

[Hans_Lemurson]

players replacing

I'm not going to play any team game where late drop in replacements are not ruled out.
I also think it is a bad habit for every game.

You aren't signed up for LT45. I guess you're just commenting in general? What problems do late drop-in replacement cause? Skilled player replacing a noob? Uncertainty about who exactly is playing what nation?

But in any case it's going to be hard to form teams until we know for sure who all is going to play. When is the cutoff window? I thought it was last Saturday.

[Wahazar]

But in any case it's going to be hard to form teams until we know for sure who all is going to play. When is the cutoff window? I thought it was last Saturday.

Good question, despite of thread title http://forum.longturn.org/viewtopic.php?id=1068 signup seems to be still opened.
BTW I was pretty sure, that game will run in Monday, according to pregame counter, thus I was so concerned why teams are not complete yet

[fran]

players replacing

I'm not going to play any team game where late drop in replacements are not ruled out.

What problems do late drop-in replacement cause?

The tedious process of team making by captain's picking is debased by later replacements.
Even more so if top players make it a habit to drop in later.

[xandr]

Yeah, no drop in replacement at-will, otherwise its not going to work. Can we require captains approval for replacements? I understand we can't automate the enforcement, can we at least agree verbally? Asking team captains here

[cgalik]

Understood and of course good by me.

[xandr]

zoltan, if you're playing you got to be a captain, so make your mind quicker

[wieder]

Yes, we can make it so that all the teams have a chance to object and reject replacement players.

[Hans_Lemurson]

Zoltan has confirmed.
ferg has joined and confirmed.
Temmikael has joined and confirmed.

[Hans_Lemurson]

Reading up on various Discord chats (where official plans are apparently discussed without any public posts on the forums), it seems that the plan to organize teams by Ordered Preference Lists is afoot. I have modified the Original Post with the following directives:

Step 1: All Captains must choose a color!
A Captain fundamentally has to be responsible enough to speak FOR the team, and speak TO the team. They don't need to be the most skilled, just be in charge of making sure the team *works*.
Step 2: Captains should create a player preference list with as many players as they wish. A fair algorithm will distribute players onto teams.
Step 3: Players wishing to play together can arrange swaps with other teams, provided their captains do not object.

[cgalik]

We are about as organized as a kindergarten football game.

[Corbeau]

We are about as organized as a kindergarten football game.

This forum is missing a “like” button

[Hans_Lemurson]

I am working on my preference list, and to help with the myriad of options, I grouped the players into 3 groups: Dangerous, Experienced, and Noobs. Please note that these lists are compiled by my own finite and fallible impressions using limited information. Players within a group are listed in their signup-order. No ranking is implied within a group.

Dangerous: These players seem to know the game well and I have either heard of their reputation, or seen them perform well in LT44, or they have just played in many games.
cgalik
chill
soon
kamBLR
Joy
Dim
Zoltan
ferg
Experienced: These players I believe are not noobs, so know how the game works and what to do, but I know of no frightening reputation.
Corbeau
sigur
rocknrolf
xandr
dion
jwrober
Alfred
Wahazar
Hans_Lemurson
Lord_P
JamesNYC
Narti
louis94
Momo
Temmikael
Noobs: These players are either first-timers, or have very few games under their belt, or I simply don't know enough about their skill.
emilio
zoe
shoter
kingi
MOLIX
anaxagoras
kunki
ghamath
Orisson
pieronjeden
wolfie31
SKB

Note: If you are in the "Noob" category and think you're better than that, don't be insulted. I'm making decisions based on limited information. Maybe somebody who is wiser than me will draft you for their team. I have only played in LT44, and maybe you've done better in other games. My rankings say more about me than you.

[Corbeau]

Woo hoo If LordP isn't dangerous, I don't know who is

Also, probably Xandr, Sigur and Louis.



I'm not sure Joy is in the right category and I have no experience on how kamBLR plays, but I'm not sure you placed him in the right category.

[zoe]

I totally agree with Corbeau. And I would put him in the "can be dangerous" category, especially if you add xandr, sigur and louis there.

[Hans_Lemurson]

I think my post mostly demonstrates the difficulty of ranking when you don't know what the hell is going on.

Miscategorization, underestimation, and insults to people's pride!